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Taxonomic Split 134854 (Committed on 11-23-2023)

Whole genome analysis of giraffe supports four distinct species
https://www.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/S0960-9822(21)00546-7.pdf

ASM Mammal Diversity Database Ver. 1.... (Citation)
Added by rjq on November 20, 2023 04:51 PM | Committed by rjq on November 23, 2023
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@michalsloviak @zarek any comments on the atlases, especially in Kenya?

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

Have built in some overlap in Kenya, so there will be some obs that need to be manually re-IDed

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

You realize that this will open up obscured data.
That is perfectly OK for southern Africa (specifically South Africa) - so that is OK for Giraffa giraffa ssp. angolensis Angolan Giraffe and Giraffa giraffa ssp. giraffa Southern African Giraffe. Please do not obscure these.

OK: no issue, I see that Giraffa tippelskirchi is obscured at the subspecies level, but perhaps given that the two subspecies are VU and EN, that IDs to species level Giraffa tippelskirchi should be obscured as well?

Posted by tonyrebelo 3 months ago

Can somebody please fix the Range Map - so that it reflects the new species, rather than just the genus?

Posted by tonyrebelo 3 months ago

@rjq maps for Kenya essentially look correct. It'll take time to go through all the coarse ID's and get users to specify new species when they originally just left it at G. camelopardalis.

Posted by zarek 3 months ago

@rjq have you had a look at this? https://bmcbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12915-023-01722-y
Interesting that they don't seem to find much hybridisation in tsavo along the galana river, but there's so much visual evidence of it. A few iNat research grade observations show ssp. reticulata deep in the heart of Fennessy's ssp. tippelskirchi maps.

Posted by zarek 3 months ago

Thanks, hadn't seen that paper.

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

@tonyrebelo thanks for raising the point about obscuring data. I can't work out if it is possible to obscure data without a threat assessment for the taxon (which there isn't for species level tippelskirchi)?

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

@rjq by the way, as the IUCN SSC Giraffe and Okapi Specialist Group recognizes only a single giraffe species, what's the iNat rationale for now recognizing the 4 separate species?
ssp. tippelskirchi is listed as Endangered on the IUCN Red List.

Posted by zarek 3 months ago

The ASM Mammal Diversity Database has accepted the taxon split into 4 recognized species + multiple studies support this so we are deviating from IUCN
https://www.mammaldiversity.org/

Posted by safron 3 months ago

Thanks @safron

Posted by zarek 3 months ago

Sorry: I dont know how or if you can obscure without a threat statement.
But you can add a status of unevaluated and then obscure the data.

Posted by tonyrebelo 3 months ago

Thanks Tony, that looks to have worked

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

@loarie @jwidness @bobby23 @jakob any reason not to go ahead? The subspecies have already been transferred, this split is tidying up the IDs

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

Fine with me!

Posted by jakob 3 months ago

@rjq have taxon changes been set up for the subspecies taxa?

Posted by bobby23 3 months ago
Posted by tonyrebelo 3 months ago

@bobby23 yes, subspecies changes have already been committed

Posted by rjq 3 months ago

OLD subspecies changes committed as can be seen by the observations in the split species, and if you dig, in the NEW subspecies too. Only the observations at the old species level (which effectively, as there was only one species, was merely an ID at generic level) remain to be tackled in this split: hence the need for the atlases, otherwise all would just go to a genus level ID (which one could argue, would be more correct based on the IDs made).

Posted by tonyrebelo 3 months ago

Thanks, @rjq. the split looks good to me :)

Posted by bobby23 3 months ago

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